Your comments on my posts are some great lessons for me..Bill.. and each one of the perceived haiku became a true haiku.. I become aware that it is a long way for me.. but then now that I have someone to guide.. I shall continue the journey...
I am truly honoured Bill and the kind of care and effort you have put in giving me inputs overwhelm me...an invaluable gift from selfless giving..I am the lucky receiver.. Thanks a lot Bill.. for being in this space.. God bless!
A clear path Teacher's gentle push His eyes shine..
"intolerable" is one of those evaluating adjectives, and a projection as well: If I can't tolerate it, perhaps others can.
I know virtually nothing about Haiku except to count syllables!
I would like to understand if using an evaluative adj. is not best because: Haiku is for pure, objective description (onto which others project their experience; This comment was specific to Ramesh's Haiku; Depersonalization is rooted in Japanese art forms; OR . . . .?
Thank you Bill. I very much enjoyed reading your feedback. (and when I saw the word verification "juddy" below I felt compelled to ask you my question. - a bit narcissistic but hey! what are the odds . . .) Judy Westerfield
My pleasure, Ramesh. Your appreciation is appreciated.
Judy (may I call you juddy?), there are no absolute rules in these matters; every generalization I offer admits of exceptions for good reasons. That said, haiku does tend to the kind of objectivity you are talking about; it points at the moon, without saying "Look at my finger." I once wrote one on a related theme:
falling star the child stares at my finger
Pretty to me may not be pretty to you. What's intolerable to me may be something you tolerate without difficulty. If I call something boring, I'm merely saying that I am bored; the problem may be me.
Even descriptive adjectives are to be handled with care; excessive modification can suck the life out of any kind of writing, especially poetry. Mark Twain on the adjective: "When in doubt, strike it out." Or, to put it positively, write with nouns and verbs.
Hi again sir, I was perusing your site and came across Shiki Kukai and visited their Googlegroups page too. I'm confused as to what I've to do to enter it. Could you guide me?
Leo, I should be receiving this month's announcement soon. If you provide me with an e-mail address, I'll forward it to you. It should tell you what you need to know, and I'll be glad to answer any questions.
No purist am I, either, Juddy, but perhaps something of a traditionalist. I don't think everything in 3 lines should be called haiku. I'm not an enforcer, though.
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Thanks Jim, every visit here is teaching me.. and I am learning too..
great one Bill
john
Thanks, Ramesh and John
Oh, this is a sexy little haiku!
Glad you noticed that, Kelly (or Alison).
Your comments on my posts are some great lessons for me..Bill.. and each one of the perceived haiku became a true haiku.. I become aware that it is a long way for me.. but then now that I have someone to guide.. I shall continue the journey...
I am truly honoured Bill and the kind of care and effort you have put in giving me inputs overwhelm me...an invaluable gift from selfless giving..I am the lucky receiver.. Thanks a lot Bill.. for being in this space.. God bless!
A clear path
Teacher's gentle push
His eyes shine..
RS : )
Bill, I read your feedback on Ramesh's haiku:
"intolerable" is one of those evaluating adjectives, and a projection as well: If I can't tolerate it, perhaps others can.
I know virtually nothing about Haiku except to count syllables!
I would like to understand if using an evaluative adj. is not best because: Haiku is for pure, objective description (onto which others project their experience; This comment was specific to Ramesh's Haiku; Depersonalization is rooted in Japanese art forms; OR . . . .?
Thank you Bill. I very much enjoyed reading your feedback. (and when I saw the word verification "juddy" below I felt compelled to ask you my question. - a bit narcissistic but hey! what are the odds . . .)
Judy Westerfield
My pleasure, Ramesh. Your appreciation is appreciated.
Judy (may I call you juddy?), there are no absolute rules in these matters; every generalization I offer admits of exceptions for good reasons. That said, haiku does tend to the kind of objectivity you are talking about; it points at the moon, without saying "Look at my finger." I once wrote one on a related theme:
falling star
the child stares
at my finger
Pretty to me may not be pretty to you. What's intolerable to me may be something you tolerate without difficulty. If I call something boring, I'm merely saying that I am bored; the problem may be me.
Even descriptive adjectives are to be handled with care; excessive modification can suck the life out of any kind of writing, especially poetry. Mark Twain on the adjective: "When in doubt, strike it out." Or, to put it positively, write with nouns and verbs.
Hope this helps, and it's a pleasure to meet you.
simple, yet brilliant :)
came by from Rameshji's blog..
good to learn through others, and I did from your comment. Thank you, Bill...
Thanks for the visit, Leo.
Hi Bill,
Have tried to catch a moment keeping in mind the lessons... would feel honoured if you could have a look and comment..please..
http://rameshsood.blogspot.com/2011/12/love-appears-in-white.html
RS :)
Hi again sir, I was perusing your site and came across Shiki Kukai and visited their Googlegroups page too. I'm confused as to what I've to do to enter it. Could you guide me?
Bill,
Helpful to Juddy
Clarification is good
Max seems not to care
Max writes own haiku
Juddy is his human foil
No purist is he
I'll drop by, Ramesh.
Leo, I should be receiving this month's announcement soon. If you provide me with an e-mail address, I'll forward it to you. It should tell you what you need to know, and I'll be glad to answer any questions.
No purist am I, either, Juddy, but perhaps something of a traditionalist. I don't think everything in 3 lines should be called haiku. I'm not an enforcer, though.
Nice one.
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